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Post by sydneyfan on Sept 14, 2012 16:44:14 GMT -5
It will probably be a good film but I don't think the trailer sold it well. All those fades to black were jarring (35 in a 2:20 trailer), the music was "serious, important" and there was little to show what the film is about. (Obviously, I don't have the grounding in american history that most americans will have and even when I look things up, it doesn't have the same emotional impact). Thanks Kristin, As an Aussie like Wombat, I know very little about American history apart from the last 40 years or so and even that knowledge mainly relates to the Kennedy assassinations,Clinton scandals, the WW2 involvment in the Pacific and the Vietnam War. Now I have a bit clearer understanding of US politics-thnks to your explanation. Cheers. Oh, I'm with you there, the trailer and it's distracting fades was not appealing. The thing is, and not being American, I can also understand the lack of interest on your part as well, but Lincoln was probably the best president we've ever had. Simply because as president, he understood that only as one nation, working together, can we survive and prosper. He knew the importance of that. He was the first "republican" president here, and I put that in quotes because most people don't understand the shift beteween the progressive or dare I say, liberal, republicans of Lincoln's time to the ultra-conservative republicans of Reagan's time. FDR, a democrat, who is also regarded as one of the best US presidents, had more in common with the progressive way of Lincoln's governing than complete liberal shift to the democratic party of Obama, Clinton, Johnson and Kennedy. In the study of history, most historians point to "watershed" moments - practically all of Lincoln's presidency was a watershed moment. He knew his job was to uphold the liberties afforded all Americans by the declaration of independence, but knew it wouldn't work unless the country was one country. His election caused the south to succeed; they knew he would abolish slavery and they didn't want that, so right from the beginning, he was a catalyst for change, good and bad. You know, Britain was actually on the side of the south - they were trying to decide whether or not to get involved, as they did rely on the cotton provided by the south. Since they had only recently abolished slavery themselves (France was also in this same boat) they didn't want to take the side of a country that refused to abolish slavery - but they were convinced the south would win the war, and with good reason, because they were winning it. Then the south imploded on itself - their supply lines were cut off, shipping of cotton was embargoed, they were printing worthless money that caused horrible inflation (What would have cost $1 in gold in 1860 cost $1200 by the end of the war in 1865), and Jefferson Davis refused to do anything to help the poor and middle class people in the south, favoring the rich instead. Ultimately, the tide turned and Britain and France were able to stay out of it completely, but both countries were contemplating getting involved. Ugh. I'm getting nerdy again. Ignore me.
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Post by icelemt38 on Sept 15, 2012 17:37:40 GMT -5
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Post by narrows101 on Sept 15, 2012 18:20:57 GMT -5
Interesting how they don't have original song and Phoenix is a slam-dunk for the win.
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Post by icelemt38 on Sept 15, 2012 19:08:12 GMT -5
As of now of course, with Lincoln's trailer debut underwhelming some and DDL already having two academy awards. That's the thing though, it's all about momentum and the impact of a great performance from someone who wasn't expected. The predictions focussed on Hoffman and lo and behold movie debuts, it's Phoenix all over the place because no one saw that coming. So many underestimate Hugh and so many don't seem to know much about Les Miz in terms of story and all that so it'll only be a surprise to many once the movie debuts and if the performances are as great as they're touted to be, it'll only make Hugh look that much better the more he's under the radar as of now. I'd just love a nomination tis all.
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Post by wombat on Sept 16, 2012 2:44:03 GMT -5
The Oscar Talk podcast (Anne Thompson and Kris Tapley) is worth a listen as they go through a lot of the films they've seen over the last few weeks. They both seem so informed and reasonable. It's long and I can't remember much of the detail other than Anne Thompson though "Hyde Park on the Hudson" was offensive and that both Anne and Kris have heard bad things about "Trouble with the Curve". Of course, there's a lot of discussion of "The Master". And Kris really, really, really liked "Looper".
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Post by icelemt38 on Sept 16, 2012 10:50:44 GMT -5
I really enjoy theirs, I find them a lot more reasonable than Sasha Stone and Jeff Wells. Anne loves Silver Linings Playbook and believes nods for Cooper, Lawrence, and De Niro are all but in the bag. They both think Hoffman is going for Supporting and they both love Argo but don't believe there are ind actor accolades going for it. Anne loves Cloud Atlas, contrary to everyone else's opinion lol, and thought To The Wonder was abysmal contrary to Guy Lodge who loved it. So funny hearing all these different opinions to each movie. But it looks like Silver Linings, Argo, and The Master won everyone over.
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Post by cath112 on Sept 16, 2012 13:52:18 GMT -5
David Edelstein reviewed The Master today on Sunday Morning and really liked it. I'm looking forward to it. And how much do I want Hugh to make a movie with PSH?
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Post by narrows101 on Sept 16, 2012 18:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by narrows101 on Sept 17, 2012 7:05:25 GMT -5
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Post by icelemt38 on Sept 18, 2012 1:41:00 GMT -5
www.awardsdaily.com/podcasts/oscarpoker/episode92.mp3The latest Oscar Poker from Sasha Stone and Jeff Wells with Tom O'neil as special guest. They talk about LM at 32 minutes and a couple more times before and after that, with everyone basically saying it's going to be great. Sasha said at one point that Hugh will be Pheonix's biggest competition. A few minutes later, Wells asks if anyone heard LM is sung live and neither O'Niel or Stone knew anything about it. Shows you how much they're actually following it so I'm going to say that they will be pleasantly surprised since they really don't know much about it at all but expect it to be great. In other movie talk, they believe Silver Linings is the front runner at the moment with Jennifer Lawrence and Phenoix leading the actor races. They also talk about the number of expected great movies is certainly dwindling, with really only Lincoln(many skeptics), Life of Pi, and LM on the horizon. As of now, they believe Silver Linings, The Master, Beasts of the Souther Wild, and Argo and surefire nods with no other guarantees.
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Post by wombat on Sept 18, 2012 4:39:29 GMT -5
I'm a little shocked at their ignorance about Les Miserables. I know they won't have followed as closely as us but they must have missed every interview and article written on the film and even when Wells hears about it, he can't be bothered even to google to find out if it's true.
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Post by narrows101 on Sept 18, 2012 5:16:55 GMT -5
I guess they couldn't tell or read about it when the teaser was released (which I guess they didn't report) that Anne was singing IDAD live.
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Post by wombat on Sept 18, 2012 5:31:42 GMT -5
And that they totally missed it when they sat through the presentation at CinemaCon.
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Post by narrows101 on Sept 18, 2012 10:34:00 GMT -5
www.awardsdaily.com/podcasts/oscarpoker/episode92.mp3The latest Oscar Poker from Sasha Stone and Jeff Wells with Tom O'neil as special guest. They talk about LM at 32 minutes and a couple more times before and after that, with everyone basically saying it's going to be great. Sasha said at one point that Hugh will be Pheonix's biggest competition. A few minutes later, Wells asks if anyone heard LM is sung live and neither O'Niel or Stone knew anything about it. Shows you how much they're actually following it so I'm going to say that they will be pleasantly surprised since they really don't know much about it at all but expect it to be great. In other movie talk, they believe Silver Linings is the front runner at the moment with Jennifer Lawrence and Phenoix leading the actor races. They also talk about the number of expected great movies is certainly dwindling, with really only Lincoln(many skeptics), Life of Pi, and LM on the horizon. As of now, they believe Silver Linings, The Master, Beasts of the Souther Wild, and Argo and surefire nods with no other guarantees. They pretty much think Phoenix is unbeatable - they actually even said that outright. We'll see what they think once they see Hugh's performance. Sasha thinks Hooper is the perfect director for this movie (he "blands things down" - what?), and this is from not knowing that the singing is done live. And I can't believe they didn't know that - Wells even said he heard it from a colleague and Sasha and O'Neill didn't know that and O'Neill said that he would be surprised if that was the case considering how difficult it is to get audio just right, and Wells said "why would they do that, why compromise the sound of these songs and the orchestration?" Boy are they going to be surprised!
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Post by icelemt38 on Sept 18, 2012 10:49:25 GMT -5
See yea I posted that right before going to bed so didn't get into details of what was said but I was like WTF, none of them looked it up? They really have no idea about anything LM, it's the stupidest thing ever. I was tempted to send them a link with the Hooper interview and then thought, whatever, let them realize on their own.
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Post by narrows101 on Sept 18, 2012 10:58:17 GMT -5
See yea I posted that right before going to bed so didn't get into details of what was said but I was like WTF, none of them looked it up? They really have no idea about anything LM, it's the stupidest thing ever. I was tempted to send them a link with the Hooper interview and then thought, whatever, let them realize on their own. I guess they couldn't tell from the teaser that Anne was singing on set. They better keep reiterating this fact in promotions so these people realize that.
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Post by Kristin on Sept 18, 2012 11:05:23 GMT -5
Let's just hope it really is a great film. Otherwise, none of this even matters. I'd rather it wasn't on the radar of any of these people, and then it really would surpise them. They're expecting something, and it would be so much better if they weren't and then BAM! IN YO FACE WIT DA LES MIS! Ha ha.
Oh, and by the way, it's National Cheeseburger Day.
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Post by wombat on Sept 18, 2012 11:20:17 GMT -5
That's the difference between Anne Thompson/Kris Tapley and Jeffrey Wells/Sasha Stone.
Wells and Stone have no interest in Les Miserables so they can't be bothered to inform themselves (Tom O'Neill has been busy TV awards and I don't think he's really got started on Oscars, so I'll give him a pass).
At least it shows how little these people know.
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Post by narrows101 on Sept 18, 2012 12:46:50 GMT -5
Speaking of Wells, he writes off Lincoln.
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Post by apetricc12 on Sept 18, 2012 12:56:28 GMT -5
Nice Christmas present!
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