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Post by SueFB on Jul 17, 2015 10:09:40 GMT -5
Regarding content, I got tired of re-posting stuff that is generally available anywhere. His instagrams, for instance. And the things that I post are things I find that I think are noteworthy and aren't so readily available elsewhere. Anyway, I know Kristin created this as a place for pictures (and I do miss waking up to an occasional pic spam ), but I've always enjoyed the discussions more than anything. When nobody else is talking, it's pretty easy to feel self-conscious, so I don't post nearly as much as I used to. Not that people have probably noticed that, lol!
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Post by nmb on Jul 17, 2015 13:31:33 GMT -5
Regarding content, I got tired of re-posting stuff that is generally available anywhere. His instagrams, for instance. And the things that I post are things I find that I think are noteworthy and aren't so readily available elsewhere. Anyway, I know Kristin created this as a place for pictures (and I do miss waking up to an occasional pic spam ), but I've always enjoyed the discussions more than anything. When nobody else is talking, it's pretty easy to feel self-conscious, so I don't post nearly as much as I used to. Not that people have probably noticed that, lol! Sue, I get all my news here. I love this place. Thank You! Nancy
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Post by SueFB on Jul 17, 2015 13:46:07 GMT -5
Regarding content, I got tired of re-posting stuff that is generally available anywhere. His instagrams, for instance. And the things that I post are things I find that I think are noteworthy and aren't so readily available elsewhere. Anyway, I know Kristin created this as a place for pictures (and I do miss waking up to an occasional pic spam ), but I've always enjoyed the discussions more than anything. When nobody else is talking, it's pretty easy to feel self-conscious, so I don't post nearly as much as I used to. Not that people have probably noticed that, lol! Sue, I get all my news here. I love this place. Thank You! Nancy Thanks, Nancy. I always appreciate your likes and positive, optimistic comments!
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Post by ocycd on Jul 17, 2015 15:22:45 GMT -5
Let me chime in as a notorious lurker... I check this site almost every day. I get all my Hugh news here because I know you guys all love Hugh and Deb and are very very classy and respectful. I don't google him or anything because I just don't want to sift through all the crap and negativity that is out there. So here is my BIG thank you... to all of you for giving me a really lovely place to catch up with all things Hugh!!
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Post by 24601 on Jul 20, 2015 22:30:56 GMT -5
I agree with Kristin's opening the board all these years after the "need" for exclusivity. Good grief, who is going to go back 50 pages and search out a comment someone made years ago? For what? As far as I know, none of you use your real name. One of the reasons, aside from Hugh news isn't all that interesting anymore, I don't post or visit much is because it's dominated by the same few and it's boring without broader participation. The more people that contribute the more interesting this board will be. I have to say also that it's a turn off when people are still snarky about anything red - really, let it go!!! My guess is that the majority of the few folks left over there were not even around when the big split happened. I've been on both boards and I wasn't even witness to it. I say merge the two boards and let the two most prolific posters battle it out. Now THAT would make for an interesting board! Bet this elicits a few comments ) PS I know a merge will never happen, but I really think it should. Seems unfair to call out those few that do continue to make an effort to regularly post and hang a boring label on the results. I've become more of a lurker lately so I won't cast a stone on the forum content. There' s a cycle to forums sometimes and when Hugh is relatively inactive or working on something that doesn't generate a lot of interest, then posts and enthusiasm will wane. I do hope we perk up in the fall when HJ starts new projects. I would hate to see Kristin finally pull the plug. Opinions vary but I prefer to speak more privately on this forum. Where it goes colors what I choose to share or comment on. Not to give excess drama to the occasional red comment, but it's as much about a certain mentality and mind set as it is historical events. Regarding casting stones, point taken, thank you. Both boards have prolific posters without whom neither board would exist. I don't know who the people are that call out that place, but it is a bit petty.
Thinking back to TBFO days and how we clung to the tiniest piece of intel and purchased bootleg cassettes...just think how far technology has gone in the intervening years. That's when it was exciting but now we have Hugh tweeting all the time, paps taking family photos on a daily basis, etc. That's why the board is less important than it once was.
I understand how Kristin must feel, what a trooper! I hope that if she ever truly decides to shut it down that she contact the other board and figure out how to merge before bidding adieu. At least there would be a common place to go.
Different topic, it made me nauseous when I read he dropped out of the Rooney Mara film for Wolverine. For Wolverine! - are you kidding me? Does anyone think it could be due to something on Broadway? If they stay in Australia past the start of school I will suspect family issues and wanting to spend a year at home. Oscar will never want to leave.
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Post by santander on Jul 21, 2015 18:58:22 GMT -5
First, thank you to everyone who participates here, even if you're just lurking. I appreciate it. Second, I have tried everything I could think of to encourage people to post. You can't make people do something like that if they're not inclined to do it - it's a shame sometimes when I think of the people who have registered here, but never even bother to introduce themselves, wondering what kind of contribution they could have made to the board. But that's life; they don't want to post, I can't make them. They move on for whatever reason and I gave up trying. I created this board for one reason, which was a place where I could post photos without a lot of prying eyes. I really only invited people I knew from Live Journal to it at first - but then I got membership requests from others and decided to open it to anyone who wanted to register. So it became a real message board, and I was happy with that. The only problem was that people started taking the photos and posting them to other places - which considering how I obtained them in the first place, was not cool at all. Some people joined just specifically to take the photos from here, and yes, some of them were from the "red" board. So I put restrictions on viewing them, and so those people who came here just for that never bothered to post, and I got complaints from the people here who were posting and actually part of this fan community. In other words, I penalized the members who were contributing in order to keep away those whose only purpose for being here was access to photos, and that sucks, and it's given me so much grief as far as this place is concerned. So I stopped posting photos. As for the "red" board - I don't give a fuck about that place. Once it closed, that was the end of it for me. I don't read the current Ozalot board (though I have seen comments here and have been told things about it) and have no intention of ever doing that again. Very loooong time lurker and former participant. Why many of us don't participate? Well, the clique! I never went to see The Boy From Oz, didn't care much about it either. Wanted to be informed, and share points of views about films and media in general. But here for a VERY LONG TIME, no new points of view where allowed. The chastising, the intolerance, the banning threat was a serious turn off for new members and lurkers. As a media professional, I have always been drawn of how people react to media and marketing campaigns. How Public Relations personnel and agents make up a public persona and how people react to it has always and Will fascinate me. I have always thought that there was a lot more of him to be explored, that was interesting. While gossip sites, and flat out ones like DL created outrageous stories, Some of the participants here behaved as the "guardians of the official story" the story designed, scripted and delimited in a boardroom, and beware those daring to question it. Social Media allowed Jackman - and other public figures like him - to tell their own stories without the filter of an agent or manager. While Jackman deconstructed the old tired script and was oblivious or careless of what that story was. He was/is telling his own. Those who criticized their public image (as a couple and family), got seriously scorned. Although both of the adults would constantly go on a media tours, repeating like parrots the script. If you are a public person and constantly go to the media, you are held accountable of your record. Those are the rules of the game they decided to engage. Some public people go out of their way bringing light to issues, like adoption, to OPEN discussions not to perpetuate their points of view. But not here. When in Rome, do as Romans, Right? the board is private, and there where only to options: oppose and challenge - an assurance to be banned - or stay and lurk. Onlines communities are designed to grow. To integrate different opinions. Cliques tend to implode or become something of an email exchange between its members. I am thankful for the time photos and news where available. I know all the time and efforts it takes. But if you decide to open the forum or not its up to you. Just be tolerant to newbies, and don't troll them. Back to lurking.
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Post by emtee on Jul 21, 2015 19:11:32 GMT -5
First, thank you to everyone who participates here, even if you're just lurking. I appreciate it. Second, I have tried everything I could think of to encourage people to post. You can't make people do something like that if they're not inclined to do it - it's a shame sometimes when I think of the people who have registered here, but never even bother to introduce themselves, wondering what kind of contribution they could have made to the board. But that's life; they don't want to post, I can't make them. They move on for whatever reason and I gave up trying. I created this board for one reason, which was a place where I could post photos without a lot of prying eyes. I really only invited people I knew from Live Journal to it at first - but then I got membership requests from others and decided to open it to anyone who wanted to register. So it became a real message board, and I was happy with that. The only problem was that people started taking the photos and posting them to other places - which considering how I obtained them in the first place, was not cool at all. Some people joined just specifically to take the photos from here, and yes, some of them were from the "red" board. So I put restrictions on viewing them, and so those people who came here just for that never bothered to post, and I got complaints from the people here who were posting and actually part of this fan community. In other words, I penalized the members who were contributing in order to keep away those whose only purpose for being here was access to photos, and that sucks, and it's given me so much grief as far as this place is concerned. So I stopped posting photos. As for the "red" board - I don't give a fuck about that place. Once it closed, that was the end of it for me. I don't read the current Ozalot board (though I have seen comments here and have been told things about it) and have no intention of ever doing that again. Very loooong time lurker and former participant. Why many of us don't participate? Well, the clique! I never went to see The Boy From Oz, didn't care much about it either. Wanted to be informed, and share points of views about films and media in general. But here for a VERY LONG TIME, no new points of view where allowed. The chastising, the intolerance, the banning threat was a serious turn off for new members and lurkers. As a media professional, I have always been drawn of how people react to media and marketing campaigns. How Public Relations personnel and agents make up a public persona and how people react to it has always and Will fascinate me. I have always thought that there was a lot more of him to be explored, that was interesting. While gossip sites, and flat out ones like DL created outrageous stories, Some of the participants here behaved as the "guardians of the official story" the story designed, scripted and delimited in a boardroom, and beware those daring to question it. Social Media allowed Jackman - and other public figures like him - to tell their own stories without the filter of an agent or manager. While Jackman deconstructed the old tired script and was oblivious or careless of what that story was. He was/is telling his own. Those who criticized their public image (as a couple and family), got seriously scorned. Although both of the adults would constantly go on a media tours, repeating like parrots the script. If you are a public person and constantly go to the media, you are held accountable of your record. Those are the rules of the game they decided to engage. Some public people go out of their way bringing light to issues, like adoption, to OPEN discussions not to perpetuate their points of view. But not here. When in Rome, do as Romans, Right? the board is private, and there where only to options: oppose and challenge - an assurance to be banned - or stay and lurk. Onlines communities are designed to grow. To integrate different opinions. Cliques tend to implode or become something of an email exchange between its members. I am thankful for the time photos and news where available. I know all the time and efforts it takes. But if you decide to open the forum or not its up to you. Just be tolerant to newbies, and don't troll them. Back to lurking.
I've read this twice and I'm still not sure of your point. Hugh and Deb are putting on a front and if anyone dares to question their lifestyle they're attacked?
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Post by nmb on Jul 21, 2015 19:38:38 GMT -5
Some of us are very busy with work and family. I am home most of the time. Love this forum. Things will get hopping when Hugh does tv pr and lets his fans know his plans for new projects.
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Post by Kristin on Jul 21, 2015 22:26:24 GMT -5
Very loooong time lurker and former participant. Why many of us don't participate? Well, the clique! I never went to see The Boy From Oz, didn't care much about it either. Wanted to be informed, and share points of views about films and media in general. But here for a VERY LONG TIME, no new points of view where allowed. The chastising, the intolerance, the banning threat was a serious turn off for new members and lurkers. As a media professional, I have always been drawn of how people react to media and marketing campaigns. How Public Relations personnel and agents make up a public persona and how people react to it has always and Will fascinate me. I have always thought that there was a lot more of him to be explored, that was interesting. While gossip sites, and flat out ones like DL created outrageous stories, Some of the participants here behaved as the "guardians of the official story" the story designed, scripted and delimited in a boardroom, and beware those daring to question it. Social Media allowed Jackman - and other public figures like him - to tell their own stories without the filter of an agent or manager. While Jackman deconstructed the old tired script and was oblivious or careless of what that story was. He was/is telling his own. Those who criticized their public image (as a couple and family), got seriously scorned. Although both of the adults would constantly go on a media tours, repeating like parrots the script. If you are a public person and constantly go to the media, you are held accountable of your record. Those are the rules of the game they decided to engage. Some public people go out of their way bringing light to issues, like adoption, to OPEN discussions not to perpetuate their points of view. But not here. When in Rome, do as Romans, Right? the board is private, and there where only to options: oppose and challenge - an assurance to be banned - or stay and lurk. Onlines communities are designed to grow. To integrate different opinions. Cliques tend to implode or become something of an email exchange between its members. I am thankful for the time photos and news where available. I know all the time and efforts it takes. But if you decide to open the forum or not its up to you. Just be tolerant to newbies, and don't troll them. Back to lurking.
You're kidding me, right? Anyone who has ever had a problem with this forum complains of the "clique." Are you fucking kidding me? Of all of the members on this forum, I personally know and am friends outside of the Internet with 3 of them - there are several others I have met, they are lovely people and the reason why it seems like a clique is because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO FUCKING POST TO THIS FORUM! To those of you who don't post or rarely post and then complain that there is a clique here - what the fuck do you expect? If YOU don't contribute and get to know others here, of course it's going to seem like a clique. But that's how you make friends, you join in. A few of us go back to another forum on Media Blvd - that's how I met a lot of other fans. I joined in. Nobody said that was a clique. So I posted there. Some of my posts got ignored. A lot of them, actually. But you can't get offended. As long as you play nicely, people will appreciate your input. It's as simple as that. You can't wait for people to decide to like you when you do nothing. Jesus. People always blame the clique mentality when they feel like outsiders, and it's complete crap, because if you join a message board and don't post, of course no one will ever be friendly to you, because they don't know anything about you. In addition, if all you do is post negative crap, you're just going to turn everyone off. The fact that I have to explain this to adults is ridiculous. The fact that so many get to sit back and read what only a few contribute to this forum, keeping it going, even through waning interest, only to be accused of shutting others out is not only unfair, but completely outrageous. I've never told people they can't join this forum. The only reason this forum is private is because of some of the content here. The only reason it seems to be a clique is because it's the same people posting without input from anyone else. If you don't post, you CANNOT rationally blame everyone else for keeping you from posting. That's absurd. I saw The Boy From Oz a few times, but I was a fan of Hugh BEFORE that. So some people became fans of Hugh because of The Boy From Oz, so what? That makes no difference since this forum has never been about The Boy From Oz, it's about Hugh Jackman. No one has ever denied anyone the right to talk about whatever they wanted here, with the exception of some very personal issues, like Hugh's personal finances, which I don't think is an appropriate topic of discussion and bashing other celebrities, because it seems to stem from some weird kind of jealousy, and that only happened after several posts (Matthew McConaughey, NPH, etc). Other than that, everything has pretty much been fair game. All points of view have been allowed. Not everyone will agree with them, if you can't take people disagreeing with your point of view, then an Internet forum is probably not for you. Just don't sit there and tell me "no new points of view were allowed" because that's complete bullshit. If I've ever offended anyone here, I deeply apologize. Having said that, I have only threatened banning where it was warranted - taking content from this forum and posting it elsewhere, for which I have banned maybe 4 people. I banned one other person because she was constantly attacking other members and they got upset. You try running a forum where all sorts of people from different backgrounds, nationalities and opinions try to get along and get their points across - it's not easy. I cannot please everyone, sorry. I try not to chastise, and fortunately, I've been lucky that I haven't really had to, because most of the people here are friendly and level-headed. If I understand you correctly here, you're saying that some fans here are overprotective of some made-up, publicist fantasy of what Hugh's life is - and getting upset if someone questioned it? Really? Then you're no better than the DL, because that's what they say. I'm certainly not telling anyone what to believe about Hugh or anyone else. Meanwhile, that has NEVER gone on here. Yes, there are some who believe everything Hugh or Deb says as the honest truth, but most of us are not that naive and we take some things they say with a grain of salt. But if you think that social media of a public figure is completely unfiltered by publicists, you're the one being naive. Hugh tries to control his image just like any celebrity. They all attempt to do it, why would he be any different? He's very good about sharing his experiences on social media, often self-depreciating photos or videos, but I think we all realize it's what he wants us to see. I am so sick and tired of the "clique" excuse. There are too many decent, lovely people here who would be more than happy to have everyone join in the conversation, but you also have to understand that you will never, ever be in a situation where everyone agrees with you all the time, and I have never told anyone here they aren't allowed to express their opinions. That's what a conversation is - people with different views and opinions discussing something. No one has to agree with anyone, but if you express an opinion, don't get offended when someone expresses an opinion that isn't yours. There have been too many cases here where people post inflammatory things and then blame the "clique" when someone tells them they don't like or agree with what was said. Don't get upset if what you post gets no response either. It could just be that no one has anything to add to that conversation. But no, it's because 5 of us are in a clique. Whatever. I'm so tired of all of it. I can't control who posts and who doesn't. I can't control people's opinions, and I'm not going to try. I am beyond caring at this point. None of this even matters. It's just silly bullshit. It's a way to connect with people who have the same interest in something or someone. It shouldn't be a bunch of pointless drama. It shouldn't be taken so seriously that being a fan consumes your free time where you're trolling Twitter and Instagram for any mention of Hugh, where you dissect every miniscule thing he does to the point where nobody cares, or where you're at the point that you get offended by what people say about Hugh because you don't agree with it. Give me a break. Just be nice to each other, for fuck's sake.
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Post by SueFB on Jul 22, 2015 5:25:04 GMT -5
I don't agree with a lot of what Santander posted, and I do agree with much of what Kristin said. But ... I've never felt like I was an entirely welcome presence by some of the longest-term members. So, there is that. Can't say I haven't tried to contribute - ha - and I tried my best to fit in, but I think I just joined in way too late, and perhaps there is just some natural suspicion of the agenda of new members, based on past experiences.
I still post here because the people here really helped nurture my interest in and knowledge of Hugh. I grew up as a fan here, lol. I've invested a lot here, and I've made some really good friends here, including some I met in person (amazing how that really helps). And I'd hate for the place to die. That's all.
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Post by wombat on Jul 22, 2015 6:11:31 GMT -5
There isn't one size fits all with messages boards. We lurk for a bit and decide if it's one we feel comfortable about contributing to. I lurked on the old red board for its entire life but it wasn't a good fit for me, mostly because I wasn't a NY-based theatre-goer and I didn't like the way it was run. I was happier with a board with a more international base and an interest in the movies. When that board began to fail (after years), I moved in on Kristin along with quite a few others from the old board. Is that a clique, or just a group of people who are familiar with the ways and history of some other members? I know that I'm always pleased to see new members because I appreciate the enthusiasm they bring.
I can see that having most of the board closed, makes it harder for people to lurk and decide if this is right for them. But I also appreciate that all my drivel isn't available to search engines. Having a two-tier system is good in theory, but I can never remember what's public and what isn't. There are times when I want to share personal stuff with people I've come to know over the years so they'll understand why I may be behaving strangly but I don't want to tell everyone.
Activity is down for many reasons, and much of that is down to Hugh Jackman. - as an established star in his late-forties, he's not going to get that many excited new fans - he has lots of fans who've been around for ten years or more and have already discussed most aspects of his career, life, appearance - there haven't been that many recent projects - nearly half of his projects over the last 10 years have been Wolverine-related and there's not much more to say on that
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Post by wombat on Jul 22, 2015 6:26:10 GMT -5
SueFB, I appreciate your efforts. It's a shame it took being covered in shit for you to appreciate the awesomeness that is Hugh Jackman. You'd have enjoyed the lead up to both Les Mis and Australia - at least I did.
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Post by SueFB on Jul 22, 2015 7:10:37 GMT -5
Thanks, wombat. Yes, I'm sure I would have. I regret missing out on a lot of things from his earlier career, but that's just the way it happened for me. Yes, shit-covered Valjean was apparently what it took. Ha!
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Post by SueFB on Jul 22, 2015 7:12:27 GMT -5
Oh, and I do think that Hugh does attract new and younger fans, even at his age (lol), but they are generally more inclined to post on Twitter or Facebook than to visit a dedicated messageboard. Heck, even Twitter and Facebook are getting dated anymore.
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Post by emtee on Jul 22, 2015 10:15:04 GMT -5
Returning the focus to why we're here, I'll post one of my old photos of pretty Hugh. (Not to belabor the point, but one of the reasons I do like this place private is I have a pet peeve about my pictures showing up on other sites.)
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Post by SueFB on Jul 22, 2015 10:28:53 GMT -5
Nice one. And speaking of which, this particular thread is ... true to its name ... free and clear.
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Post by ocycd on Jul 22, 2015 11:00:14 GMT -5
so pretty...
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Post by mamaleh on Jul 22, 2015 11:28:26 GMT -5
Ah, the good ol' Imperial Theater days. Lovely pic. Thanks, Joan.
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Post by Jamie on Jul 22, 2015 11:55:49 GMT -5
Oh, and I do think that Hugh does attract new and younger fans, even at his age (lol), but they are generally more inclined to post on Twitter or Facebook than to visit a dedicated messageboard. Heck, even Twitter and Facebook are getting dated anymore. Yep now it is real time broadcasting from mobile phones. If all this instant "communication" doesn't east up a bit, I'm retiring to a nunnery where people take vows of silence.
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Post by cath112 on Aug 4, 2015 13:37:04 GMT -5
Obviously I've not been coming here regularly for some time, but it's always good to come back and catch up. Part of the reason I'm not around is because I'm away a lot and keep up with just a couple of social media sites. But mostly I'm not around because I have nothing to contribute. Although I still think the world of Hugh, I'm disappointed with the path his career has taken and so until his projects are more interesting to me, I don't have much to say; I hate being negative all the time. So I come by to see if there's news I'm missing, particularly about new projects, but I don't contribute. But I do thank you, Kristin, for administering the board, and to those of you who post things who keep this going.
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